a week without booze

[GrillinFool]

I don't like to see myself as a cruel or uncaring man. But I have first person knowledge of drunks and townies. Yes, I know about 12-step plans.

I also know that you can teach some bears and tigers not to rip you to shreds. Most can never be trusted.

I consider the care, feeding, couseling and even heraldic life saving procedures for drunks and townies to be an absolute waste of time.

If I was buffing chrome and a drunk began choking on his own vomit, my involvement would be the sum and substance to move him as far away from Black Betty as projectile spittle requires. And this includes the abusive antics of my own Mother.

If you are sincere about engaging in a 12-step program, go for it. But also practice stitching your own wounds and get 911 on your speed dial.

Disease? BS. You're a drunk.

Sort of harsh isn't it? I mean, yeah lots of rationalization and backtracking that probably belie a larger issue, but still this was a bit over the top IMHO....

 

[Wart]

Sort of harsh isn't it?

Sort of, but not really.

I mean, yeah lots of rationalization and backtracking that probably belie a larger issue, but still this was a bit over the top IMHO....

Sort of, in a way.

It wasn't aimed at anyone here, directly, by name.

Only thing I would take exception to is the care, feeding, counseling and even heraldic life saving procedures for drunks and townies (being) an absolute waste of time..

Quit boozing? Heres a hand. Keep boozing? Good by.


I understand where Tourist is coming from. On many levels.

As an example, neighbors drunk brother moves in with her, I tried being nice, then direct, but he kept coming over trying to corner and manipulate me. He didn't get the idea till I answered the door with a tonfa. He didn't believe I'd use it. He never bothered me again.

 

[PieSusan]

Chico, you are being very harsh but I see you have also been very hurt by alcohol and so I understand why your tolerance for bad behavior is totally non-existent. However, I like to believe that people can get better if they stop drinking. I think alcoholic drinking is self-medicating and once that stops, one can then, address the mental issues that need to be addressed. I believe the alcohol is a mere symptom and that the underlying problem is much larger. Once one learns to cope without the drink, and works at it, one can lead a successful and happy life. I know lots of people who are successful recovering alcoholics. I also know many who have never gotten it and are still drinking themselves to the grave.

It is a choice to pick up the first drink but once alcohol enters your brain your ability to think properly and reason flies out the window. You may think you are under control but all the medical and scientific studies prove otherwise. That is part of the problem. As part of my continuing legal education, I need to take a substance abuse class and have seen the movies that show the affects of alcohol on the body, brain and behavior.

Wart, I agree with you. If someone is seeking help, I am there to support them whole-heartedly but if they are not, I really do not need them in my life. This, I, too, learned the hard way.

For those who think they may have a problem, I hope that you choose to do something about it. For those who don't, enjoy yourself!

 

[Angie]

For those who know me from another forum...I have issues with addiction (not alcohol). Major issues...ambulance rides to the ER two months ago, etc. I'm not looking for sympathy, but just letting you know that it really sucks. It totally takes over your life and I agree with PieSusan, there are deeper, underlying issues. Trust me, I have many. They don't call me crazy just because!!

 

[Mama]

Personally, I don't like alcohol. I've been around too many people whose lives were destroyed by the stuff. They didn't set out for that to happen, but it happened none the less.

Most of the time when people are hurt or killed by someone who has had "too much to drink", that person is NOT an alcoholic. Just someone who "had too much to drink" and unfortunately, most people who drink, from time to time, have "too much to drink".

That's just my .02.

 

[The Tourist]

Sort of harsh isn't it?

Nope. Drunks are users. Make life easy for them and they will stay drinking. Force them to act responsibly and their real demons and anger surface.

And what exactly is society ultimately trying to save? In the purest sense, we are talking about a biological alcohol processing machine that makes vomit and excuses and looks like a human.

If they wasted any more oxygen there would be a bounty on them.

And that's the problem. The humanists gush, "Oh, poor Harvey, he had another painful hangnail this morning. How do you expect him to work with substance abuse?"

Hey, Harvey, here's the metal toe of a motorcycle boot. Get a frakken job or blow your brains out, your choice. But get off my lawn and quit whining...

If more people reacted that way there would only be the quick and the dead. But drunkeness would no longer be a problem. Some Arab countries execute drunk drivers, so my way is quite merciful.