Where are the Grammer Cops when you need them?

Jim_S

Resident Curmudgeon
Its a catastrophe for the apostrophe in Britain



LONDON – On the streets of Birmingham, the queen's English is now the queens English.

England's second-largest city has decided to drop apostrophes from all its street signs, saying they're confusing and old-fashioned.

But some purists are downright possessive about the punctuation mark.

It seems that Birmingham officials have been taking a hammer to grammar for years, quietly dropping apostrophes from street signs since the 1950s. Through the decades, residents have frequently launched spirited campaigns to restore the missing punctuation to signs denoting such places as "St. Pauls Square" or "Acocks Green."

This week, the council made it official, saying it was banning the punctuation mark from signs in a bid to end the dispute once and for all.

Councilor Martin Mullaney, who heads the city's transport scrutiny committee, said he decided to act after yet another interminable debate into whether "Kings Heath," a Birmingham suburb, should be rewritten with an apostrophe.
"I had to make a final decision on this," he said Friday. "We keep debating apostrophes in meetings and we have other things to do."

Mullaney hopes to stop public campaigns to restore the apostrophe that would tell passers-by that "Kings Heath" was once owned by the monarchy.

"Apostrophes denote possessions that are no longer accurate, and are not needed," he said. "More importantly, they confuse people. If I want to go to a restaurant, I don't want to have an A-level (high school diploma) in English to find it."
But grammarians say apostrophes enrich the English language.

"They are such sweet-looking things that play a crucial role in the English language," said Marie Clair of the Plain English Society, which campaigns for the use of simple English. "It's always worth taking the effort to understand them, instead of ignoring them."

Mullaney claimed apostrophes confuse GPS units, including those used by emergency services. But Jenny Hodge, a spokeswoman for satellite navigation equipment manufacturer TomTom, said most users of their systems navigate through Britain's sometime confusing streets by entering a postal code rather than a street address.

She said that if someone preferred to use a street name — with or without an apostrophe — punctuation wouldn't be an issue. By the time the first few letters of the street were entered, a list of matching choices would pop up and the user would choose the destination.

A test by The Associated Press backed this up. In a search for London street St. Mary's Road, the name popped up before the apostrophe had to be entered.

There is no national body responsible for regulating place names in Britain. Its main mapping agency, Ordnance Survey, which provides data for emergency services, takes its information from local governments and each one is free to decide how it uses punctuation.

"If councils decide to add or drop an apostrophe to a place name, we just update our data," said Ordnance Survey spokesman Paul Beauchamp. "We've never heard of any confusion arising from their existence."

To sticklers, a missing or misplaced apostrophe can be a major offense.

British grammarians have railed for decades against storekeepers' signs advertising the sale of "apple's and pear's," or pubs offering "chip's and pea's."

In her best-selling book "Eats, Shoots and Leaves," Lynne Truss recorded her fury at the title of the Hugh Grant-Sandra Bullock comedy "Two Weeks Notice," insisting it should be "Two Weeks' Notice."

"Those spineless types who talk about abolishing the apostrophe are missing the point, and the pun is very much intended," she wrote.
 
"possesive about punctuation marks" ???
"dropping the hammer on grammar" ???

Very cute writing to show just how serious an issue this is, but
"confusing the GPS units" ???

It's a friggin' island! What does England need GPS units for?

:dizzy:

OK. Sorry miniman.... just had to get that out :smile:
So what's your take?
 
They really need to import some good cooks. Some one to teach them that there is just something wrong with fried mar's bars. Oh and this is the only country I got food poisoning in after eating in 94 different countries.

Loved the place though but the food was god awful, I actually looked for a big mac and I don't like McDonald's.
 
Here, here, my good man.

"Apostrophes denote possessions that are no longer accurate, and are not needed"

So are the Queen's jewels or not?
 
Talk about worrying about the silliest things. I say if this is the worst issue they have to deal with over there, maybe we should move there LOL!!!
 
"possesive about punctuation marks" ???
"dropping the hammer on grammar" ???

Very cute writing to show just how serious an issue this is, but
"confusing the GPS units" ???

It's a friggin' island! What does England need GPS units for?

:dizzy:

OK. Sorry miniman.... just had to get that out :smile:
So what's your take?

Sure we are an island - but a lot of people and a lot of roads - everything is much more crowded. I use my satnav to go anywhere new and it has a traffic facility so I can avoided traffic jams.

Our councils are generally just loony and this is an example of the general off the wall behaviour that cost us tax payers money and I'm not sure what it will achieve in the end.
 
They really need to import some good cooks. Some one to teach them that there is just something wrong with fried mar's bars. Oh and this is the only country I got food poisoning in after eating in 94 different countries.

Loved the place though but the food was god awful, I actually looked for a big mac and I don't like McDonald's.

OMG, you nailed it. Back in the early '90's (that double will drive the apostrophe dorks crazy:dizzy:) I was tasked to build a building for the company I was working for. I then moved a sales office from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes, and open a warehousing facility there as well. This entailed a lot a trips to many different cities during my 9 or 10 trips to the UK, and I got to sample the local foods compliments of my real estate agent and construction manager, both natives. After the second day of tasteless, overcooked foods, I told my hosts that I had eaten the last English meal I would ever consume. From that point forward I wanted food with taste, which entailed finding restaurants of foreign ownership from countries that knew how to use seasonings, and did not include animal entrails in most of their foodstuffs. Thank goodness for Italian, Thai, Pakistani and many other entrpeneurs who saw a cosmopolitan market in England and decided to set up shop and serve food that would make you smile and not wince when it came to the table. I believe that England has signs at their ports that say "No Spices Welcomed Here."
 
I have to add my $0.02 worth on the apostrophe. My last name has an apostrophe in it, as many Irish (and French) names do. It is one of my pet peeves that so many computer systems do not allow an apostrophe. It is, and always has been, part of my name, for crying out loud. As a computer specialist with more than 40 years experience, I can tell you that the computer does in fact support use of the apostrophe, just so many programmers can't get their head around it. Even our wonderful Medicare system (!) takes my apostrophe out - but the Social Security Administration itself does not. Go figure!

OK, rant over.

Fred
 
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