Any mechanics out there?

GrantsKat

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Admittedly my minivan is a piece of crap!:yuk: With that being said, I wonder if anyone here can help me out, I really dont want to take it in to be checked out without having a little knowledge of what could be wrong.
The problem is with the A/C, if I have it on while Im driving, my van or more specifically, the engine "jerks", almost like its changing gears (which its not). It happens frequently & is pretty scary:shock:

Anyone have any ideas:confused:

TIA!:)
 
It could be a lot of things from a vacuum leak to a compressor starting to seize up on you. I would start with the vacuum leak first then, watch for things like belts slipping etc. Also it could be a slight timing problem as well though doubt full since it only does it with the AC on. Could also be simply a need for an engine tune up. AC systems can be complicated but without knowing what van you have I suggest you drive it till is starts with the jerks then get it checked via a computer read out.
 
I figured it could be any one of a million things!!! Its a 98 dodge grand caravan with 120000+ miles.
I loathe going to a mechanic, ya know they see me coming a mile away! lol
 
While I can't answer your question with the provided information, I can offer a little advice. If you can afford to, it is a good time to buy a used car. With the economy the way it is folks are fixing their cars and not many buying so its a buyers market. If your car is in that bad of a shape it can nickel and dime you to death. I know since that has happened to me, in what I did to a car in repairs in two years I could have gotten a new (used) car that was much more dependable. :bonk:

300 here, 500 there...

Anyhow, good luck.
 
While I can't answer your question with the provided information, I can offer a little advice. If you can afford to, it is a good time to buy a used car. With the economy the way it is folks are fixing their cars and not many buying so its a buyers market. If your car is in that bad of a shape it can nickel and dime you to death. I know since that has happened to me, in what I did to a car in repairs in two years I could have gotten a new (used) car that was much more dependable. :bonk:

300 here, 500 there...

Anyhow, good luck.


Oh I know it! We have only had this one for about 2 years. We just arent in any position to buy another right now!
Thanks Lefty:)
 
Well, you being a woman....
I am sure that the sensation you feel of the engine speeding up and slowing down is happening as a result of you fiddling with the settings on your air conditioning. You said it only happens when you are driving, right? Your right hand and right foot are having a hard time multi-tasking separately. Is the radio on and you are talking on the cell phone, too?

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Sorry, Kathe. You know Iz just kiddin' :wink:
 
Well, you being a woman....
I am sure that the sensation you feel of the engine speeding up and slowing down is happening as a result of you fiddling with the settings on your air conditioning. You said it only happens when you are driving, right? Your right hand and right foot are having a hard time multi-tasking separately. Is the radio on and you are talking on the cell phone, too?

:yum::yum::yum:

Sorry, Kathe. You know Iz just kiddin' :wink:


:yum:you forgot the tossing snacks and drinks to the kids in the back seat!!!!:lol:
 
The problem is with the A/C, if I have it on while Im driving, my van or more specifically, the engine "jerks", almost like its changing gears (which its not). It happens frequently & is pretty scary:shock:

Anyone have any ideas:confused:

Off hand it sounds like normal cycling of the compressor. AC compressors in "cars" don't run continually, The compressor runs and fills the receiver then shuts off, the receiver partially empties and the pump turns on again.

Thumbnailing this, it takes 30 horse power (more or less) to maintain a highway speed, and it takes 5 horse power (more or less) to run the AC pump, so when your going up the highway and the compressor kicks in there is a sudden 16% reduction of power (5 hp) going to the drive wheels.

Around town the starting of the compressor is much more apparent because the engine is making less power.

Wife comes home one day and says her car is acting funny so I take it for a drive. The compressor kicks in and she says "there it is". How Husbands learn to keep our mouths shut ... she'd had the car for 5 or 6 years.

Many times there are things that are going on that have always gone on it's just that people haven't noticed it.

It could be a lot of things from a vacuum leak to a compressor starting to seize up on you.

Then theres that, the compressor could be starting to seize making it's activation more noticeable.

Back in the days of carburetors there was a solenoid that would activate when the AC compressor started that would keep the car from stalling. Usually. {Chuckle}

Thumbnail: With computer cars when the compressor starts the 'idle control valve' opens a hair and the injectors dump a bit more fuel. Whether this happens above idle would depend on the car, the computer and the program.

The AC system could be functioning just fine but now your noticing the starting of the pump because engine management isn't bumping up the power when the pump starts. That could be caused by a lazy IIAC, or a broken wire resulting in the computer not knowing the AC is on, or a failing sensor could be allowing the program to fall off it's map, or, or, or, or ....

Or it could be you just started noticing the compressor starting.

Thing about 'trouble shooting' via web is we could speculate all week and not come close.

Catch Car Talk on Saturday, Tom and Ray have been fixing cars for decades and at times the best they can do is throwing a dart or flipping a coin.

AC systems can be complicated but without knowing what van you have I suggest you drive it till is starts with the jerks then get it checked via a computer read out.
AC systems are pretty straight forward, it's the way everything is tied together that causes madness. LOL!

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It think the belt could be slipping. (serpentine belt)

Do you ever hear any squeeling noises from the engine area?
When the compressor kicks in it puts an extra load on the engine and that belt transfers power.
 
It think the belt could be slipping. (serpentine belt)

Do you ever hear any squeeling noises from the engine area?
When the compressor kicks in it puts an extra load on the engine and that belt transfers power.


YES & sometimes I swear it smells like burning rubber:huh:
 
YES & sometimes I swear it smells like burning rubber:huh:

ARRRGHHH!!!!!!!! :shock::shock::shock::shock:

DONT put the AC on!!!!!

Bring it to a shop ASAP and have then check out:

  • Belt Tensioner
  • All serpentine belts
The belt tensioner pulley could be going (or has gone) and the belt is rubbing against the engine block ANNNNNNND with oil and fuel and all that friction and extreme heat it could start a fire in the engine compartment
OR
the belt can SNAP and then you have no steering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET IT LOOKED AT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
sush, ya just scared the crap out of me!!! lol
ok Im gonna sweat my butt off now cause Im afraid to turn the A/C on! I'll tell the hubby when he gets home.
thanks for the advice!
 
YES & sometimes I swear it smells like burning rubber:huh:

{Maniacal Laughter}

That's an important clue, thanks for including it!

:whistling:

Reduces my answer to three lines:

Sounds like the AC compressor is starting to lock up/seize, OR

The extra strain put on the belt created by the running compressor is causing something to bind or go out of alignment,

DO NOT operate the AC, get it checked ASAP!!!!
 
sush, ya just scared the crap out of me!!! lol
ok Im gonna sweat my butt off now cause Im afraid to turn the A/C on! I'll tell the hubby when he gets home.
thanks for the advice!


And dont drive the car unless you 100% must. The the A/C part is a symtom of a larger potential problem. If the belt tensioner is going its throwing off the whole belt alignment!!!! Its a very dangerous thing!
 
While I agree with Sushi to a certain point, Kathe, I wouldn't push the panic button just yet.
Do, however, get thee hence to your favorite and, hopefully, reputable auto repair specialist. Let him look beneath thy hooded area to see what he can see.

I suspect that the AC unit may be seizing. The burning/squealing is probably the serpentine belt, of which there is only one. If it breaks, you won't die. It will steer exceedingly hard because the power steering pump will be dead in the water. You shouldn't overheat the engine because the fan is electric driven, however, the water pump is on that belt also.

Sushi is correct in admonishing thee to park the van.


Much luck and fortune to thee! :mrgreen:
 
While I agree with Sushi to a certain point, Kathe, I wouldn't push the panic button just yet.
Do, however, get thee hence to your favorite and, hopefully, reputable auto repair specialist. Let him look beneath thy hooded area to see what he can see.

I suspect that the AC unit may be seizing. The burning/squealing is probably the serpentine belt, of which there is only one. If it breaks, you won't die. It will steer exceedingly hard because the power steering pump will be dead in the water. You shouldn't overheat the engine because the fan is electric driven, however, the water pump is on that belt also.

Sushi is correct in admonishing thee to park the van.


Much luck and fortune to thee! :mrgreen:

How King James Old English of thee, o Biskit. Thou art quite the sage orator.

What they said, Kathe!The only thing I know about vehicles is the number of my mechanic and AAA. Both are in my speed-dial. :clap:
 
I have an older 94 Honda with no power steering. Bought it used, and whoever ordered it got the BARE minimum on this car. But it’s paid for and runs like a champ.

Power Steering is most beneficial at low speeds and dead stops. If you lose your power steering while driving at speed, you won’t really even notice much until you start slowing down. At speed, it’s just as easy to steer without power steering as with it. The real problem is when stopped and you try to turn the wheel.

So don’t worry about that part.

As the others say, it sounds like the compressor is trying to seize, so every time it kicks on, it is dragging hard on the engine and causing the belt to slip and burn which is that smell and squeal you described.

If that is the problem, you’re fine driving it as long as you don’t kick on the AC. But you should get it looked at as soon as possible.
 
While I agree with Sushi to a certain point, Kathe, I wouldn't push the panic button just yet.
Do, however, get thee hence to your favorite and, hopefully, reputable auto repair specialist. Let him look beneath thy hooded area to see what he can see.

I suspect that the AC unit may be seizing. The burning/squealing is probably the serpentine belt, of which there is only one. If it breaks, you won't die. It will steer exceedingly hard because the power steering pump will be dead in the water. You shouldn't overheat the engine because the fan is electric driven, however, the water pump is on that belt also.

Sushi is correct in admonishing thee to park the van.


Much luck and fortune to thee! :mrgreen:

I want my Man Card back now! :glare: I havent had it for almost a year!
 
whatever the problem may turn out to be... you should put a Goodyear Gatorback belt on your Caravan - the belt is a little shorter than the Mopar ones keeping all pullies a little tighter... those years of vans were know to have problems with the belt tensioner(which comes out of allignement)...the belts just have a tendency to just come off for no apparent reason or they break or just flat out shred...
 
Power Steering is most beneficial at low speeds and dead stops. If you lose your power steering while driving at speed, you won’t really even notice much until you start slowing down. At speed, it’s just as easy to steer without power steering as with it. The real problem is when stopped and you try to turn the wheel.

So don’t worry about that part.


Wellll ........

There really isn't a problem running a power rack without power, I know quite a few people who do it for various reasons, instead of a particular turn taking 2 'pounds' of force with power it now may take 4,6,or 8 or more pounds.

Problem is that first turn after the belt fails. That's when you find out the belt failed. The particular turn is approached with the expectation it will take 2 pounds of force, 2 pounds input is put on the wheel but it now takes 4,6,8+ pounds so damned little happens.

Lets say it takes a half second to ascertain the situation and correct for it, at 30mph thats over 20 feet, enough to jump a curb, take out a ped. At parking lot speeds the travel is far enough to dent fenders.

Granted I'm presenting a near worst case scenario, can't deny it's something to think about.

About this:
The real problem is when stopped and you try to turn the wheel.

When I was learning to drive (a car) the shit storm my Old Man rained on me for turning the wheels with the car sitting still. Unnecessarily stresses the front end he said ... Made such an impression on me that 30+ years later with damned few exceptions I still will not turn the wheel unless the vehicle is in motion.


If that (seizing pump) is the problem, you’re fine driving it as long as you don’t kick on the AC. But you should get it looked at as soon as possible.

+1

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... those years of vans were know to have problems with the belt tensioner(which comes out of allignement)...the belts just have a tendency to just come off for no apparent reason or they break or just flat out shred...


Data noted and logged.

(Now all I have to do is remember where I put the log. :( )
 
Wellll ........

Problem is that first turn after the belt fails. That's when you find out the belt failed. The particular turn is approached with the expectation it will take 2 pounds of force, 2 pounds input is put on the wheel but it now takes 4,6,8+ pounds so damned little happens.

Lets say it takes a half second to ascertain the situation and correct for it, at 30mph thats over 20 feet, enough to jump a curb, take out a ped. At parking lot speeds the travel is far enough to dent fenders.

Granted I'm presenting a near worst case scenario, can't deny it's something to think about.

Won’t matter.

Even with NO power steering, I can roll at 2-5 miles per hour and as I roll, it becomes as easy to turn the wheel as if I had power steering. For those with no PS, we all know the little trick of the slight roll to get into a parking space. it’s easy.

Rolling at 30 MPH or more, you won’t even notice your PS went out other than you don’t have all that silly play in the wheel.


I’ve had cars that popped the PS belt when I was running down the road, and seriously, you do not notice much at speed other than all the silly play left the wheel. As for control, it is fine until you get really slow. The biggest problem is, when the belt goes that powers the PS, other things go out and dummy lights and sirens come on.
 
Actually, yes, it very well could matter. Worse case it could result in death.

Lets just hope I'm not proven right.

:thumb:

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My thoughts are, if the belt pops and you lose the PS, you’ll just hit the brakes and stop. So PS won’t really matter anyway. Not many will continue driving after the bells and whistles light up the dash. Typically it’s hit the breaks and use the cell.

But again, let's hope you're scenario doesn't come into play! :thumb:
 
LOL! I was just wondering what I must have been thinking starting this thread!!!! I started a "man war":bb:

Maybe I should have asked what shade of pink to paint the baby's room instead!!!:tongue:

Thanks for the advice EVERYONE!! I will take my van in asap:unsure::lol:
 
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