and about tipping....

I don't cut my hair, but my wife does and she gets a tip every time she does it. :wink: However I've had hair cuts all over the world and always left a tip if they did a good job, tip jar or not.
 
I guess I just never ran into one that didn't have a tip jar. I have curly hair, so I never went to regular commercial chains to get my hair cut. It was always old fashioned barber shops or hair stylists as they seemed to be the only ones that could cut it without cutting across the curl and leaving my hair sticking up!
These places all had tips jars, so I never even gave it a though, just dropped some money in as I went out the door.
Of course, that was over 6 years ago, been cutting my own since then, crew cut or buzz cut I guess you call it.
 
joec said:
I don't cut my hair, but my wife does and she gets a tip every time she does it. :wink: However I've had hair cuts all over the world and always left a tip if they did a good job, tip jar or not.
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Mom taught me early on to always tip your stylist! :thumb:
 
From the responses, it seems that we'll never simply pay for a service, meaning paying a fair wage to service people.. It looks like it will always be an industry where people have to rely on tips to make ends meet. That's disenheartening, really. Good service should be a given, shouldn't it?
 
I don’t mind paying for the service, and in many places here it is tacked on the bill. The problem is, if everyone does that and just says we’ll add 20% to your bill for the service then:

1. How do we know that 20% goes to my server and not the “house”?
2. Who patrols the 20% fee and regulates that 20% service HERE is as great as 20% service THERE?

It would suck to go to one place and have mind blowing service, pay the 20% on the ticket, then go to the next place only to be treated like a leper.

Personally, the food business needs to get over it and pay the servers like they pay everyone else. Everyone gets a flat and equal wage. If you get a tip, then fine. But your wage up front should be set, equal, and fair. Post a sign at the front of the joint saying tipping is irrelevant, we pay our servers and want you to enjoy the best service period.

It’s years of this that started it, but a year or two of work can change it.
 
VeraBlue said:
I'd love to see tipping eliminated all across the board...and just pay the price of the service. With that, however, anyone in the service industry should be getting a reasonable wage just like office workers, construction workers, doctors, etc...
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i have 2 problems with that.

firstly, and of a lesser account, doctors aren't exactly paid a wage like others, for several good and bad reasons. i won't get into that right now.

but secondly and more importantly, removing tips removes the incentive to work hard for them. to be able to grow that friendly personality and teach hustle to otherwise unskilled workers is paramount to their future or continuous success, and the success of the business at hand.

not everyone should be waitstaff, but a good minimum wage would create a situation for that to exist. i know, i sucked at it many years ago. i hate rude or ignorant people, so my work reflected that.


(the star spangled banana playing softly in the background)

this country needs to get back to hard work and sacrifice rather than to legislate socialism into every nook and cranny of our society.

it's anti-american to allow the retched refuse to wallow in their despair!!! get them to work, and the rising tide will lift all ships!!!
 
VeraBlue said:
From the responses, it seems that we'll never simply pay for a service, meaning paying a fair wage to service people.. It looks like it will always be an industry where people have to rely on tips to make ends meet. That's disenheartening, really. Good service should be a given, shouldn't it?
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I respect your points, Vera, but I believe in the tipping system. The truckstop I frequent here has two very good waitresses. They hustle, they are cheery, they are fun, and they have their shit together. They also, between the base salary and tips, do very well. I often ask one of them which section she's working in because I know I'll be well taken care of.

The others, not so much, and they soon quit because it's not worth their time coming to work for such meager tips. Why? Because those low earns/slow learners don't do a good job. They stand and chatter with each other, look ya right in the eye when you come in, then, when they're slow to get to you, they give you the excuse that they didn't see you. I ain't stoopid, but they are.

Fair to good service garners 20%. Mediocre to fair gets 15%, poor to mediocre gets 5-10%.

Keep the tipping system.
 
Biskit said:
I think tipping will always be there to some degree.

As to Deelady's predicament, call the credit card company and stop payment! You didn't just get ripped off, you got royally raped! I'd have raised holy hell right in front of the whole damn joint. B'lieve me, if that manager had any brains, she'd have given you the keys to the place to shut you up. Squeaky wheels and grease, ya know.

The place I frequent has some pretty mediocre waitstaff. They get a bit less than 15%. They've also got a couple of stellar waitresses who get 20%+ from me. I've been going there long enough to know these gals. Occasionally, I'll tell the "Stellars" that I appreciate them and really enjoy being in their section. Sometimes, I think that means more than the tip.

Now, for poor service....don't completely stiff 'em. Leave a teeeeeeeny tip. Bigger message than no tip at all. Pisses 'em off too!
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Oh the money was never taken out of our account because they had cancelled the transactions to enter in a new one....but the problem was that everytime they ran our card it automatically puts that dollar amount on hold regardless if the transaction was cancelled. It was taken off hold a couple of days later, but its the inconvenience and principle of the matter.....plus what if we had been not as observant to the particulars of our bill and took them at their word....we would have been paying for their 50 dollar tip for an 80 dollar bill! To me I felt like it was a scam, they serve alchohol, lord knows how many drunks they get and oops we accidentally charged too much for the tip....yeah ok....
I actually didn't even think to call the BBB, we just agreed we would never return (even though we were very disapointed by that because they did have unbeleivable Jazz singers there!)

As far as the tipping topic....one thing I'd like to add is....I think that because I was a server back in the day and have been in the customer service industry for so many years...that is the very reason I have certain expectations to the service I receive! I do know the other side of it and I excpect no less than what I always made sure to give my customers! You treat people the way you excpect to be treated when you go somewhere.

I do think they should get a more decent wage, but tips are suppose to be for added show of your appretiation for their service, not to suppoort them. If they depend on those tips, then don't stand there acting like I am being an inconvenience to you because I decided to walk in to their restaurant!! Take responsibility for your earnings and either get a new job, or put in a little EFFORT and do the job you chose to do, and to the best to your ability!
I once worked at a Pizza Hut Dine In....I made no less than 60 dollars in tips a shift....why...because I cared about my customers pleasure in their dining experience and WANTED them to return!
 
I wouldn't mind paying extra to have the tip included. Once upon a time I worked very hard as a waitress. It is tough to have your earnings left up to so many people. Each person decides the definition of good service. Some judge service on the meal they didn't like or the wait for a table, the kitchen took too long (in their mind) and who knows what. Some just aren't going to tip well. Some are still in the dark ages about the percentage. I used to have a couple that came in the restaurant every Wednesday night and had a bill of about $25.00 (this is fifteen years ago) and proudly handed me a dollar every time. Nice folks, just cheap. It's tough to have so many "bosses" when you are working your tail off to do your best to please all types of people.
 
I once went out to lunch with 3 filthy rich men to a pizza joint when they had the $2 dollar lunch special going on. Well these 3 guys ran the waitress ragged with their couple of slices of pizza, salad and drinks. Well all of our checks came to $2 plus tax and I left a dollar on the table, my basic tip for anything under $6 that I order. As I was in line one of them handed me back .75 and told me I left too large a tip. Needless to say I walked back over to the table and put back the .75 plus another $2. I found it rather embarrassing to say the least.
 
i don't think that i've ever left less than a dollar, anywhere.

hmm, i should start a poll. who gives tips for takeout? i usually give around 10%, especially when i get take out sushi. the chefs see the fiver with some extra singles go into the cup, so i think they return it in bigger and better dishes. also, the owner often slips an extra kimchee appy into the bag, to the dismay of my wife.
same goes for the steak and chop take out that i frequent. i'm always amazed at the amount he plates.
 
I also tip on take out as well as barbers that is when I see a barber since my wife cuts my hair. Oh now that I think about she gets a tip too. :lol:
 
buckytom said:
i don't think that i've ever left less than a dollar, anywhere.

hmm, i should start a poll. who gives tips for takeout? i usually give around 10%, especially when i get take out sushi. the chefs see the fiver with some extra singles go into the cup, so i think they return it in bigger and better dishes. also, the owner often slips an extra kimchee appy into the bag, to the dismay of my wife.
same goes for the steak and chop take out that i frequent. i'm always amazed at the amount he plates.
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I tip for take-out, too, BT. They always make sure my order is right and I'm always finding extras in there, too. Yep, about 10% is what I tip on take-out unless I have a huge order - then it's more.
 
I tip not only for take-out but my massotherpist, and my hairdresser. I put money in the tip jar when I buy coffee and ice cream. And at the holidays--I tip extra.
 
Thanks, I had just never heard it called a massotherapist but a massage therapist before. I thought that might be what is was but my on line dictionary didn't recognize it either, hence I asked. I guess the on line Wester is so unabridged after all.
 
I think the problem is that someone invents a word like this and it takes a while to make its way into the various dictionaries as it is taken up. I had never come across it before.
 
Maverick2272 said:
I cut my own hair. But, as a policy, anyplace I go where I get good service that has a tip jar, I put a tip in it.
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In the US it's also customary to directly tip barbers, hair stylists, or any other personal service provider.
But many other cultures do not have tipping. As a salon owner I see this quite often as tourists from these non-tipping countries (mainly Europe) generally do not tip after receiving service from our establishment, for instance.
I must assume they don't leave tips at restaurants either.
 
I know this is a bit of an old thread but I just wanted to say, even though it's not customary to tip in the UK, I always do...unless the staff have been downright rude or couldn't care less the service they give.

I've always tipped coz I've worked so many jobs that have no pay and just tip money only. So no tips, you literally don't eat that week. Even after laws came in making that illegal, I personally know it still goes on. (The worst offenders are big fancy hotels!)

And I ALWAYS give the tip directly to the person it's intended for coz a lot of places with tip jars etc...the tip just goes straight to management.
 
I tipped when I worked overseas myself and in some countries had waiter give it back to me I had over paid. A lot of people from those countries don't tip when they come here to the US, not out of not being satisfied with the service because the come from places that don't tip.
 
Is that countries where they are too poor to tip anyway? If so they maybe worry you will accuse them of overcharging.
 
Not really some such as France was like that and so was Germany but it might just be where we ate at. Tipping isn't common in Asia either for the most part. Now time might have changed since all the countries I visited were over a 3 year period from '80 to '83.
 
In many Asian countries, for instance, service fees are generally included in your restaurant bill. But these fees generally end up in the hands of the management.
 
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