Mold on bread

Doc

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Usually it's is easy to spot mold on bread. Especially white bread. We switched to a multi grain bread a while back. Very good, and it stays fresh longer than white bread ever did. But last night I got out a slice and noticed some mold on it. And the bread still seemed fresh to the touch.
My question: what happens if you eat bread with mold on it? Would it make you sick or would you have any noticeable effects?
 

chowhound

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Good question, Doc. Moldy bread worries me, maybe unnecessarily. If I see one speck of mold I toss the whole loaf, figuring that the spores are floating around in the bag and just haven't settled in and found a permanent home yet. I just had to toss 1/4 loaf two nights ago. And I needed some fresh bread becasue I was doing some plumbing. Luckily I had hot dog buns.
 

Doc

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:D ahhh yes, fresh bread works well when sweating pipes. I've used that trick many times. :D

I also throw out whatever is left of the loaf when I spot mold.
 

Miniman

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I usually toss any bread with mold on. Sometimes, if I've no other bread and it's only a small spot, I'll toast it - that kills the mold.

Normally though bread does not hang around long enough around here to start growing. The cooler, you keep it, the longer it is before any mold grows.
 

chowhound

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lol, Nothing gets by you, Doc :a1:

I know that when we were discussing cheese in the past, quite a few people said that they cut off the moldy part and the rest of the cheese is fine, but it's still that whole spore thing (or whatever started the mold in the first place) that I don't like. I toss anything that gets moldy; cheese, bread, sour cream.... It's like some people don't like clowns.... it just whigs me out a little to be eating something that was in the same container as mold :dizzy:
 

RobsanX

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I think that as long as you aren't allergic to it, it won't hurt you. I buy Sara Lee whole grain white bread, and I've yet to see a loaf go moldy. If I did, I would just toss it...
 

chowhound

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But isn't cheese really moldy milk processed?

Is it? I don't know exactly what cheese is...
I know some cheeses have mold in them by design, but I thought cheese was more of a cultured or fermenting process. Got me, Abby.
I just know that when my orange cheese turns blue, it gets tossed :wink:
 

Keltin

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Depending on the type of mold, yes, it can make you sick.

I got incredibly ill after eating some molded wheat bread once. It takes about 1 to 1.5 hours to hit you, and it lasts for about 1 hour. You get very dizzy, run a fever, sounds are distorted, and then you get extremely nauseous which leads to a VIOLENTLY ill ending.

Different breads make different molds. I know I’ve eaten white bread mold once, and never got sick. But wheat bread mold knocked me down hard that one time!

The odd thing is, I couldn’t even see the mold, and soon did a lot of research.

When you see mold on the bread, it is “flowering”. But the mold is present long before you see it. Think about grass seeds in the ground. Mold is like that. Once it starts, it is in the bread, but you can’t see it until it “flowers”. By the time it flowers, it is growing rather rampantly!

Because of this, I’m always very careful with expiration dates when it comes to wheat bread. It seems the my system can’t tolerate that kind of mold....yet white bread doesn’t bother me.


And uh.....whats the deal with sweating pipes with bread?
 

smoke king

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Depending on the type of mold, yes, it can make you sick.

I got incredibly ill after eating some molded wheat bread once. It takes about 1 to 1.5 hours to hit you, and it lasts for about 1 hour. You get very dizzy, run a fever, sounds are distorted, and then you get extremely nauseous which leads to a VIOLENTLY ill ending.

You know, back in the late 70's I got the exact same symptoms from taking a handfu....you know what, wrong forum for that story!! However, I have heard an "old timer" talking about using bread to sweat pipes!
 

FryBoy

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Here's the USDA's Fact Sheet on mold in food:

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Molds On Food: Are They Dangerous?
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Some molds cause allergic reactions and respiratory problems. And a few molds, in the right conditions, produce "mycotoxins," poisonous substances that can make people sick. When you see mold on food, is it safe to cut off the moldy part and use the rest? To find the answer to that question, delve beneath the surface of food to where molds take root.

What Are Molds?
Molds are microscopic fungi that live on plant or animal matter. No one knows how many species of fungi exist, but estimates range from tens of thousands to perhaps 300,000 or more. Most are filamentous (threadlike) organisms and the production of spores is characteristic of fungi in general. These spores can be transported by air, water, or insects.

Unlike bacteria that are one-celled, molds are made of many cells and can sometimes be seen with the naked eye. Under a microscope, they look like skinny mushrooms. In many molds, the body consists of:
  • root threads that invade the food it lives on,
  • a stalk rising above the food, and
  • spores that form at the ends of the stalks.

The spores give mold the color you see. When airborne, the spores spread the mold from place to place like dandelion seeds blowing across a meadow.

Molds have branches and roots that are like very thin threads. The roots may be difficult to see when the mold is growing on food and may be very deep in the food. Foods that are moldy may also have invisible bacteria growing along with the mold.

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Are Some Molds Dangerous?
Yes, some molds cause allergic reactions and respiratory problems. And a few molds, in the right conditions, produce “mycotoxins,” poisonous substances that can make you sick.

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Are Molds Only on the Surface of Food?
No, you only see part of the mold on the surface of food -- gray fur on forgotten bologna, fuzzy green dots on bread, white dust on Cheddar, coin-size velvety circles on fruits, and furry growth on the surface of jellies. When a food shows heavy mold growth, “root” threads have invaded it deeply. In dangerous molds, poisonous substances are often contained in and around these threads. In some cases, toxins may have spread throughout the food.

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Where Are Molds Found?
Molds are found in virtually every environment and can be detected, both indoors and outdoors, year round. Mold growth is encouraged by warm and humid conditions. Outdoors, they can be found in shady, damp areas or places where leaves or other vegetation are decomposing. Indoors, they can be found where humidity levels are high.

Molds form spores which, when dry, float through the air and find suitable conditions where they can start the growth cycle again.

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What Are Some Common Foodborne Molds?
Molds most often found on meat and poultry are Alternaria, Aspergillus, Botrytis, Cladosporium, Fusarium, Geotrichum, Monilia, Manoscus, Mortierella, Mucor, Neurospora, Oidium, Oosproa, Penicillium, Rhizopus and Thamnidium. These molds can also be found on many other foods.

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What Are Mycotoxins?
Mycotoxins are poisonous substances produced by certain molds found primarily in grain and nut crops, but are also known to be on celery, grape juice, apples, and other produce. There are many of them and scientists are continually discovering new ones. The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations estimates that 25% of the world's food crops are affected by mycotoxins, of which the most notorious are aflatoxins.

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What is Aflatoxin?
Aflatoxin is a cancer-causing poison produced by certain fungi in or on foods and feeds, especially in field corn and peanuts. They are probably the best known and most intensively researched mycotoxins in the world. Aflatoxins have been associated with various diseases, such as aflatoxicosis in livestock, domestic animals, and humans throughout the world. Many countries try to limit exposure to aflatoxin by regulating and monitoring its presence on commodities intended for use as food and feed. The prevention of aflatoxin is one of the most challenging toxicology issues of present time.

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How Does the U.S. Government Control Aflatoxins?
Aflatoxins are considered unavoidable contaminants of food and feed, even where good manufacturing practices have been followed. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the USDA monitor peanuts and field corn for aflatoxin and can remove any food or feed with unacceptable levels of it.

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Is Mushroom Poisoning Caused by Molds?
No, it is due to the toxin produced by the fungi, which are in the same family as molds. Mushroom poisoning is caused by the consumption of raw or cooked mushrooms, which are higher-species of fungi. The term “toadstool” (from the German “Todesstuhl” -- death's stool) is commonly given to poisonous mushrooms, but there is no general rule of thumb for distinguishing edible mushrooms from poisonous toadstools. The toxins that cause mushroom poisoning are produced naturally by the fungi. Most mushrooms that cause human poisoning cannot be made safe by cooking, canning, freezing, or any other processing. The only way to avoid poisoning is not to eat poisonous mushrooms.

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Are Any Food Molds Beneficial?
Yes, molds are used to make certain kinds of cheeses and can be on the surface of cheese or be developed internally. Blue veined cheese such as Roquefort, blue, Gorgonzola, and Stilton are created by the introduction of P. roqueforti or Penicillium roqueforti spores. Cheeses such as Brie and Camembert have white surface molds. Other cheeses have both an internal and a surface mold. The molds used to manufacture these cheeses are safe to eat.

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Why Can Mold Grow in the Refrigerator?
While most molds prefer warmer temperatures, they can grow at refrigerator temperatures, too. Molds also tolerate salt and sugar better than most other food invaders. Therefore, molds can grow in refrigerated jams and jelly and on cured, salty meats -- ham, bacon, salami, and bologna.

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How Can You Minimize Mold Growth?
Cleanliness is vital in controlling mold. Mold spores from affected food can build up in your refrigerator, dishcloths, and other cleaning utensils.
  • Clean the inside of the refrigerator every few months with 1 tablespoon of baking soda dissolved in a quart of water. Rinse with clear water and dry. Scrub visible mold (usually black) on rubber casings using 3 teaspoons of bleach in a quart of water.
  • Keep dishcloths, towels, sponges, and mops clean and fresh. A musty smell means they’re spreading mold around. Discard items you can’t clean or launder.
  • Keep the humidity level in the house below 40%.

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Don’t Buy Moldy Foods
Examine food well before you buy it. Check food in glass jars, look at the stem areas on fresh produce, and avoid bruised produce. Notify the store manager about mold on foods!

Fresh meat and poultry are usually mold free, but cured and cooked meats may not be. Examine them carefully. Exceptions: Some salamis -- San Francisco, Italian, and Eastern European types -- have a characteristic thin, white mold coating which is safe to consume; however, they shouldn’t show any other mold. Dry-cured country hams normally have surface mold that must be scrubbed off before cooking.

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Must Homemade Shelf-Stable Preserves be Water-Bath Processed?
Yes, molds can thrive in high-acid foods like jams, jellies, pickles, fruit, and tomatoes. But these microscopic fungi are easily destroyed by heat processing high-acid foods at a temperature of 212 °F in a boiling water canner for the recommended length of time. For more information about processing home-canned foods, go to the National Center for Home Food Preservation at: www.uga.edu/nchfp/.

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How Can You Protect Food from Mold?
  • When serving food, keep it covered to prevent exposure to mold spores in the air. Use plastic wrap to cover foods you want to stay moist -- fresh or cut fruits and vegetables, and green and mixed salads.
  • Empty opened cans of perishable foods into clean storage containers and refrigerate them promptly.
  • Don’t leave any perishables out of the refrigerator more than 2 hours.
  • Use leftovers within 3 to 4 days so mold doesn’t have a chance to grow.

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How Should You Handle Food with Mold on It?
Buying small amounts and using food quickly can help prevent mold growth. But when you see moldy food:
  • Don’t sniff the moldy item. This can cause respiratory trouble.
  • If food is covered with mold, discard it. Put it into a small paper bag or wrap it in plastic and dispose in a covered trash can that children and animals can’t get into.
  • Clean the refrigerator or pantry at the spot where the food was stored.
  • Check nearby items the moldy food might have touched. Mold spreads quickly in fruits and vegetables.
  • See the attached chart “Moldy Food: When to Use, When to Discard.”
NOTE: THERE'S A CHART ON THE USDA WEBSITE, BUT IT WON'T COPY PROPERLY HERE, SO IT'S ATTACHED AS A PDF.
 

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chowhound

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....And uh.....whats the deal with sweating pipes with bread?

Water flows to heat just like solder, so when you are working with copper pipes that have had water in them, you need a "dam" to keep the water away until you get your joint sweated. A doughball stuffed into the pipe works great for this. You can shove it in with your flux brush or finger a couple inches. Then when you are done, heat that area with the torch to cook the bread and it will wash away. You might have to clean a faucet screen or two.
 

Doc

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Water flows to heat just like solder, so when you are working with copper pipes that have had water in them, you need a "dam" to keep the water away until you get your joint sweated. A doughball stuffed into the pipe works great for this. You can shove it in with your flux brush or finger a couple inches. Then when you are done, heat that area with the torch to cook the bread and it will wash away. You might have to clean a faucet screen or two.
Yep. I never tried cooking the bread after sweating the solder. I took the screen off the closest facet and ran it through there. I would only use the white part of the bread, never the crust. The white part balled up better, especially when I was dealing with 3/4 inch copper.
You just never know what these threads will lead to, do ya? :thumb: :D
Thread drift IS ALLOWED here on Net Cooking Talk. :D
 

FryBoy

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BTW, we don't eat a great deal of bread, a couple of slices a day for sandwiches, maybe a chunk of the good stuff with dinner, an English muffin or bagel for breakfast. However, we like to have several varieties on hand -- sliced white bread, sliced whole grain, cut-up loaves of La Brea Bakery roasted garlic bread and rosemary-olive oil bread, sourdough rolls, Thomas's English Muffins, bagels from Western Bagel, etc. etc. We keep it all in the freezer. No mold, ever.

The sliced bread defrosts nicely when it's in the toaster, or it goes frozen on the Foreman Grill for panini-type sandwiches. Same with the English muffins and bagels. I stick chunks of the loaves or homemade corn muffins in the microwave for a few seconds, then heat in the toaster oven. It all comes out quite well, with no noticeable effect on texture or taste. And no mold.
 

Keltin

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Wow! Thanks guys! I had no idea about using bread when working on copper pipes. I actually could have used that info a few years back!! Amazing. Well, I learned something today, so I guess I'm done for the day! :lol: :thumb:
 

BamsBBQ

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But isn't cheese really moldy milk processed?

no its not actually...they inject some "friendly" molds into cheese to make blue cheese

but whole milk is put into a great big stainless steel vat, brought up to a certain temperature and then renett is sprinkled on top and the food dye is next...then it is stirred with big rakes...drained and you are left with cheese curds...then they are pressed into blocks.. this is the simplified version..lol

i use to make cheese..one of the hardest jobs i ever had
 

Deelady

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About two days after I buy bread usually stick it in the fridge. It pretty much stays good until it is used up.
 

Love2"Q"

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you have to be very careful with mold ..
it is everywhere and on everything .. just not at levels that hurt you ..
if a product has any material that was once living in it .. mold can live
off it ..
there are only two things that can kill mold .. direct sunlight and
well below freezing temps ..
we remove mold with dry ice ...
if you have sometyhing with mold on it .. wrap it on plastic and
get it out of your house asap ..
you do not want the company i work for to have to have to remove
your mold .. it is very expensive ..


sorry for the drift ..
 

FryBoy

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As noted above, some molds are poisonous; giving your moldy bread to birds or animals therefore seems like a bad idea to me.
 

lifesaver91958

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I didn't say i tear it up in my house now did i?

i tear it up outside and yes the birds do eat it.
 

lifesaver91958

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and if i ever have moldy bread it doesn't have even enough mold to hurt the birds... they have a different digestive system than a human being.
 
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